In A 175 (8:3 - 8:4)-FB, the Collector sends his daughter Carina to the enemy Korvac, and she appears on a catwalk that looks like the one seen in A 167, at the Wasp's fashion show, Carina's first appearance, meaning Nighthawk is sitting next to Korvac and Wasp and Yellowjacket are BTS.
NIGHTHAWK/KYLE RICHMOND
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M/TIO 34
A 175-FB <-- ADD
A 167
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WASP/JANET VAN DYNE PYM
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SVTU 14
A 175-FB-BTS <-- ADD
A 167
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YELLOWJACKET/DR. HENRY JONATHAN PYM
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CM 56
A 175-FB-BTS <-- ADD
A 167
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FB in A 175
Moderators: Col_Fury, michel, Arthur, Somebody, StrayLamb
Re: FB in A 175
The FBs in A 175 are not sequential for Korvac:
A 175 (9:5 - 11:1)-FB: Korvac teleports away at the end of T@ 6, he arrives in Galactus's ship, gains godlike powers and gives himself a human body. Then he returns to Earth.
A 175 (8:3 - 8:4)-FB: The Collector sends Carina to Earth to seduce Korvac
A 175 (11:2 - 11:3)-FB: Korvac and Carina fall in love
KORVAC, MICHAEL | 31ST CENTURY
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T@ 6
A 175-FB --> CHANGE TO A 175 (9:5 - 11:1)-FB
A 175 (8:3 - 8:4)-FB <-- ADD
A 175 (11:2 - 11:3)-FB <-- ADD
A 167
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A 175 (9:5 - 11:1)-FB: Korvac teleports away at the end of T@ 6, he arrives in Galactus's ship, gains godlike powers and gives himself a human body. Then he returns to Earth.
A 175 (8:3 - 8:4)-FB: The Collector sends Carina to Earth to seduce Korvac
A 175 (11:2 - 11:3)-FB: Korvac and Carina fall in love
KORVAC, MICHAEL | 31ST CENTURY
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T@ 6
A 175-FB --> CHANGE TO A 175 (9:5 - 11:1)-FB
A 175 (8:3 - 8:4)-FB <-- ADD
A 175 (11:2 - 11:3)-FB <-- ADD
A 167
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Re: FB in A 175
Can someone explain to me Korvac's listing, with page numbers for FF@ 24/2:
KORVAC, MICHAEL | 31ST CENTURY
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A 177 (1 - 11)
FF@ 24/2-BTS
FF@ 24/2-FB-FB
A 177 (12)
FF@ 24/2-FB
A 177 (13 - 18)
A:KS
FF@ 24/2
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KORVAC, MICHAEL | 31ST CENTURY
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A 177 (1 - 11)
FF@ 24/2-BTS
FF@ 24/2-FB-FB
A 177 (12)
FF@ 24/2-FB
A 177 (13 - 18)
A:KS
FF@ 24/2
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Re: FB in A 175
Michel, I didn't come here to answer your question, but I think it would have been rude to ask my question without taking a crack at yours. I think based on the fact that the other characters are placed in the same flashback between the same pages, I think it was supposed to be 6:1 - 6:4. If that is correct, then it is slightly misplaced. 6:1 is supposed to be roughly a recreation of A 177 (12:3), 6:2 corresponds to the narration of A 177 (12:4) where he is trying to look to Carina, 6:3 is analogous to A 177 (12:5). All three of those do have new information in the thought bubbles, so they probably should be integrated. 6:4 is brand new where he sets up Thor to get revenge on Carina. 6:5 corresponds to A 177 (13:1) with no new information. I think 7:1 is what is currently labeled as FF@ 24/2-FB, but it is part of the same flashback as the rest so should still be FF@ 24/2-FB-FB with pages specified. The correct placement of that would be between A 177 (13:1) and (13:2), so that one is pretty close.
Based on all of that, I wonder if FF@ 24/2-BTS is actually the page with Galactus and should be FF@ 24/2-FB-FB-BTS (4). So then he is behind the scenes because Galactus is shooting the Nullifier at him?
I kind of question why it is all labeled with a "-FB-FB" modifier, but I guess it is because they already told the story of the Korvac Saga once, then flashed back to earlier in it, so that seems fine.
Since I'm not here to answer that question, I'll leave it to you to put that together. I think this order makes sense overall. Maybe some of these panels don't make the cut to include, but I think all the panels included have new information:
A 177 (1 - 12:2)
FF@ 24/2-FB-FB (4 - 6:1): Galactus shoots the Nullifier. TVA reacts. Korvac senses it while getting shot by energy attacks from the combined heroes.
A 177 (12:3 - 12:4): Korvac is apparently overpowered by the heroes' energy attacks. Iron Man grabs him.
FF@ 24/2-FB-FB (6:2): Korvac looks toward Carina hoping to use their combined powers to resist the Nullifier.
A 177 (12:5): Carina hesitates.
FF@ 24/2-FB-FB (6:3 - 6:4): Korvac realizes that Carina has failed him. He puts the suggestion and power into Thor to get revenge for her betrayal.
A 177 (13:1): Korvac is glowing as Iron Man holds him. According to FF@ 24/2-FB-FB (6:5) he is reviving the fallen heroes.
FF@ 24/2-FB-FB (7:1): Korvac now on the ground, his essence flies out of his body to find a genetic ancestor.
A 177 (13:2 - 18): Iron Man declares that Korvac is dead, and the rest of the story happens.
FF@ 24/2-FB-FB (7:4): Not important to continuity, but the TVA is relieved that Korvac killed himself, saving them some work.
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So now what I really came here for was a question about a loop. Specifically, I wanted to know about A 175 (8:3 - 8:4)-FB. For all of the characters present except Collector that flashback is placed right before A 167, but for Collector it is placed before A 159. Is that on purpose since he has a time travel machine, or is that a mistake where he should be brought in sync with the others?
Based on all of that, I wonder if FF@ 24/2-BTS is actually the page with Galactus and should be FF@ 24/2-FB-FB-BTS (4). So then he is behind the scenes because Galactus is shooting the Nullifier at him?
I kind of question why it is all labeled with a "-FB-FB" modifier, but I guess it is because they already told the story of the Korvac Saga once, then flashed back to earlier in it, so that seems fine.
Since I'm not here to answer that question, I'll leave it to you to put that together. I think this order makes sense overall. Maybe some of these panels don't make the cut to include, but I think all the panels included have new information:
A 177 (1 - 12:2)
FF@ 24/2-FB-FB (4 - 6:1): Galactus shoots the Nullifier. TVA reacts. Korvac senses it while getting shot by energy attacks from the combined heroes.
A 177 (12:3 - 12:4): Korvac is apparently overpowered by the heroes' energy attacks. Iron Man grabs him.
FF@ 24/2-FB-FB (6:2): Korvac looks toward Carina hoping to use their combined powers to resist the Nullifier.
A 177 (12:5): Carina hesitates.
FF@ 24/2-FB-FB (6:3 - 6:4): Korvac realizes that Carina has failed him. He puts the suggestion and power into Thor to get revenge for her betrayal.
A 177 (13:1): Korvac is glowing as Iron Man holds him. According to FF@ 24/2-FB-FB (6:5) he is reviving the fallen heroes.
FF@ 24/2-FB-FB (7:1): Korvac now on the ground, his essence flies out of his body to find a genetic ancestor.
A 177 (13:2 - 18): Iron Man declares that Korvac is dead, and the rest of the story happens.
FF@ 24/2-FB-FB (7:4): Not important to continuity, but the TVA is relieved that Korvac killed himself, saving them some work.
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So now what I really came here for was a question about a loop. Specifically, I wanted to know about A 175 (8:3 - 8:4)-FB. For all of the characters present except Collector that flashback is placed right before A 167, but for Collector it is placed before A 159. Is that on purpose since he has a time travel machine, or is that a mistake where he should be brought in sync with the others?
Re: FB in A 175
It looks like a mistake that I overlooked. Good catch!Kang wrote: ↑Tue Sep 27, 2022 9:40 pmSo now what I really came here for was a question about a loop. Specifically, I wanted to know about A 175 (8:3 - 8:4)-FB. For all of the characters present except Collector that flashback is placed right before A 167, but for Collector it is placed before A 159. Is that on purpose since he has a time travel machine, or is that a mistake where he should be brought in sync with the others?
For the rest, I need some time to study your answer ^^
Re: FB in A 175
Thank you, Kang. Now I understand better what's happening.
No way we can have a FF@ 24/2-BTS at the time of Korvac's death.
We have a FF@ 24/2 (1 - 7)-FB, and within it some FF@ 24/2-FB-FB (from 4 to 7:1) that go between panels of page 3.
So my slightly different take:
FF@ 24/2 (1)-FB recap-FB of A 175 (9:5 - 11)-FB
A 177 (1 - 4:3)
FF@ 24/2 (2)-FB (Guardians are here and everybody is still alive)
A 177 (4:4 - 12:3) (Korvac kills some heroes, the remaining ones strike)
FF@ 24/2 (4 - 6:1)-FB-FB (Galactus shoots the nullifier, TVA reacts, Korvac senses the nullifier)
FF@ 24/2 (3:1)-FB (Korvac staggers)
FF@ 24/2 (6:2)-FB-FB (Korvac thinks he can overcome it with the aid of Carina)
A 177 (12:4) = FF@ 24/2 (3:2)-FB (Korvac looks at Carina)
A 177 (12:5) (Carina hesitates)
FF@ 24/2 (6:3 - 6:5)-FB-FB (Korvac senses Carina doubts him, sends an impulsion to Thor, revives the dead heroes, kills himself, begins to glow)
A 177 (13:1) (Iron Man notices Korvac's glowing, Korvac still standing)
FF@ 24/2 (7:1)-FB-FB (Korvac has fallen, the cosmic gene packet is emitted)
A 177 (13:2) = FF@ 24/2 (3:3)-FB ("He's dead...the words of one who knows.")
FF@ 24/2 (7:2 - 7:3)-FB recap-FB from A 177 (13:3 - 18)
FF@ 24/2 (7:4)-FB (TVA relived)
KORVAC, MICHAEL | 31ST CENTURY
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A 176
A 177 (1 - 11) --> CHANGE TO A 177 (1 - 4:3)
FF@ 24/2-BTS --> CHANGE TO FF@ 24/2 (2)-FB
A 177 (4:4 - 12:3) <-- ADD
FF@ 24/2-FB-FB --> CHANGE TO FF@ 24/2 (4 - 6:1)-FB-FB
FF@ 24/2 (3:1)-FB <-- ADD
FF@ 24/2 (6:2)-FB-FB <-- ADD
A 177 (12) --> CHANGE TO A 177 (12:4 - 12:5)
FF@ 24/2-FB --> CHANGE TO FF@ 24/2 (6:3 - 6:5)-FB-FB
A 177 (13:1) <-- ADD
FF@ 24/2 (7:1)-FB-FB <-- ADD
A 177 (13 - 18) --> CHANGE TO A 177 (13:2 - 18)
A:KS
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BLACK WIDOW III/NATALIA ALIANOVNA ROMANOVA/"NATASHA ROMANOFF"
JOCASTA/JOCASTA PYM
MOONDRAGON/HEATHER DOUGLAS/"H.D. STECKLEY"
MS. MARVEL/CAROL SUSAN JANE DANVERS
QUICKSILVER/PIETRO MAXIMOFF
WASP/JANET VAN DYNE PYM
WONDER MAN/SIMON WILLIAMS
YELLOWJACKET/DR. HENRY JONATHAN PYM
CHARLIE-27, CAPT. | 31ST CENTURY
NIKKI/NICHOLETTE GOLD | 31ST CENTURY
YONDU/YONDU UDONTA | 31ST CENTURY
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A 176
A 177 --> CHANGE TO A 177 (1 - 4:3)
FF@ 24/2 (2)-FB <-- ADD
A 177 (4:4 - 18) <-- ADD
A:KS
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CAPTAIN AMERICA/STEVE ROGERS
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A 176
A 177 (1 - 11) --> CHANGE TO A 177 (1 - 4:3)
FF@ 24/2 (2)-FB <-- ADD
A 177 (4:4 - 12:3) <-- ADD
FF@ 24/2 --> CHANGE TO FF@ 24/2 (3:1)-FB
A 177 (12 - 18) --> CHANGE TO A 177 (12:4 - 18)
A:KS
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BLACK PANTHER VIII/T'CHALLA/"LUKE CHARLES"/"OKONKWO"
CAPTAIN MARVEL/CAPT. MAR-VELL/"DR. WALTER LAWSON"
HAWKEYE/CLINTON FRANCIS BARTON
HERCULES/HERACLES/ALCEAUS
SCARLET WITCH II/WANDA MAXIMOFF
MARTINEX/DR. MARTINEX T'NAGA | 31ST CENTURY
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A 176
A 177 --> CHANGE TO A 177 (1 - 4:3)
FF@ 24/2 (2)-FB <-- ADD
A 177 (4:4 - 12:3) <-- ADD
FF@ 24/2 (3:1)-FB <-- ADD
A 177 (12:4 - 18) <-- ADD
A:KS
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IRON MAN/ANTHONY EDWARD "TONY" STARK/"RICHARD FRANCO"
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A 176
A 177 (1 - 11) --> CHANGE TO A 177 (1 - 4:3)
FF@ 24/2 (2)-FB <-- ADD
A 177 (4:4 - 12:3) <-- ADD
FF@ 24/2-FB-FB --> CHANGE TO FF@ 24/2 (4 - 6:1)-FB-FB
FF@ 24/2 (3:1)-FB <-- ADD
A 177 (12) --> CHANGE TO A 177 (12:4 - 12:5)
FF@ 24/2-FB --> CHANGE TO FF@ 24/2 (6:3 - 6:5)-FB-FB
A 177 (13:1) <-- ADD
FF@ 24/2 (7:1)-FB-FB <-- ADD
A 177 (13 - 18) --> CHANGE TO A 177 (13:2 - 18)
A:KS
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KORVAC, CARINA TIVAN/"CARINA WALTERS"
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A 176
A 177 (1 - 11) --> CHANGE TO A 177 (1 - 4:3)
FF@ 24/2 (2)-FB-OP <-- ADD
A 177 (4:4 - 12:3) <-- ADD
FF@ 24/2-FB-FB --> CHANGE TO FF@ 24/2 (4 - 6:1)-FB-FB
FF@ 24/2 (3:1)-FB <-- ADD
FF@ 24/2 (6:2)-FB-FB-OP <-- ADD
A 177 (12:4 - 12:5) <-- ADD
FF@ 24/2 (6:3 - 6:5)-FB-FB <-- ADD
A 177 (12 - 18) --> CHANGE TO A 177 (13 - 18)
A:KS
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THOR/THOR ODINSON/"DR. DONALD BLAKE"/"SIGURD JARLSON"/"JAKE OLSON"/"LOREN OLSON"
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A 176
A 177 (1 - 11) --> CHANGE TO A 177 (1 - 4:3)
FF@ 24/2 (2)-FB <-- ADD
A 177 (4:4 - 12:3) <-- ADD
FF@ 24/2-FB-FB --> CHANGE TO FF@ 24/2 (4 - 6:1)-FB-FB
FF@ 24/2 (3:1)-FB <-- ADD
A 177 (12:4 - 12:5)-OP <-- ADD
FF@ 24/2 (6:3 - 6:5)-FB-FB <-- ADD
A 177 (12 - 18) --> CHANGE TO A 177 (13 - 18)
A:KS
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VISION II/"VICTOR SHADE"
STARHAWK/STAKAR OGORD | 31ST CENTURY
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A 176
A 177 (1 - 11) --> CHANGE TO A 177 (1 - 4:3)
FF@ 24/2 (2)-FB <-- ADD
A 177 (4:4 - 12:3) <-- ADD
FF@ 24/2-FB-FB
FF@ 24/2 (3:1)-FB <-- ADD
A 177 (12 - 18) --> CHANGE TO A 177 (12:4 - 18)
A:KS
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No way we can have a FF@ 24/2-BTS at the time of Korvac's death.
We have a FF@ 24/2 (1 - 7)-FB, and within it some FF@ 24/2-FB-FB (from 4 to 7:1) that go between panels of page 3.
So my slightly different take:
FF@ 24/2 (1)-FB recap-FB of A 175 (9:5 - 11)-FB
A 177 (1 - 4:3)
FF@ 24/2 (2)-FB (Guardians are here and everybody is still alive)
A 177 (4:4 - 12:3) (Korvac kills some heroes, the remaining ones strike)
FF@ 24/2 (4 - 6:1)-FB-FB (Galactus shoots the nullifier, TVA reacts, Korvac senses the nullifier)
FF@ 24/2 (3:1)-FB (Korvac staggers)
FF@ 24/2 (6:2)-FB-FB (Korvac thinks he can overcome it with the aid of Carina)
A 177 (12:4) = FF@ 24/2 (3:2)-FB (Korvac looks at Carina)
A 177 (12:5) (Carina hesitates)
FF@ 24/2 (6:3 - 6:5)-FB-FB (Korvac senses Carina doubts him, sends an impulsion to Thor, revives the dead heroes, kills himself, begins to glow)
A 177 (13:1) (Iron Man notices Korvac's glowing, Korvac still standing)
FF@ 24/2 (7:1)-FB-FB (Korvac has fallen, the cosmic gene packet is emitted)
A 177 (13:2) = FF@ 24/2 (3:3)-FB ("He's dead...the words of one who knows.")
FF@ 24/2 (7:2 - 7:3)-FB recap-FB from A 177 (13:3 - 18)
FF@ 24/2 (7:4)-FB (TVA relived)
KORVAC, MICHAEL | 31ST CENTURY
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A 176
A 177 (1 - 11) --> CHANGE TO A 177 (1 - 4:3)
FF@ 24/2-BTS --> CHANGE TO FF@ 24/2 (2)-FB
A 177 (4:4 - 12:3) <-- ADD
FF@ 24/2-FB-FB --> CHANGE TO FF@ 24/2 (4 - 6:1)-FB-FB
FF@ 24/2 (3:1)-FB <-- ADD
FF@ 24/2 (6:2)-FB-FB <-- ADD
A 177 (12) --> CHANGE TO A 177 (12:4 - 12:5)
FF@ 24/2-FB --> CHANGE TO FF@ 24/2 (6:3 - 6:5)-FB-FB
A 177 (13:1) <-- ADD
FF@ 24/2 (7:1)-FB-FB <-- ADD
A 177 (13 - 18) --> CHANGE TO A 177 (13:2 - 18)
A:KS
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BLACK WIDOW III/NATALIA ALIANOVNA ROMANOVA/"NATASHA ROMANOFF"
JOCASTA/JOCASTA PYM
MOONDRAGON/HEATHER DOUGLAS/"H.D. STECKLEY"
MS. MARVEL/CAROL SUSAN JANE DANVERS
QUICKSILVER/PIETRO MAXIMOFF
WASP/JANET VAN DYNE PYM
WONDER MAN/SIMON WILLIAMS
YELLOWJACKET/DR. HENRY JONATHAN PYM
CHARLIE-27, CAPT. | 31ST CENTURY
NIKKI/NICHOLETTE GOLD | 31ST CENTURY
YONDU/YONDU UDONTA | 31ST CENTURY
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A 176
A 177 --> CHANGE TO A 177 (1 - 4:3)
FF@ 24/2 (2)-FB <-- ADD
A 177 (4:4 - 18) <-- ADD
A:KS
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CAPTAIN AMERICA/STEVE ROGERS
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A 176
A 177 (1 - 11) --> CHANGE TO A 177 (1 - 4:3)
FF@ 24/2 (2)-FB <-- ADD
A 177 (4:4 - 12:3) <-- ADD
FF@ 24/2 --> CHANGE TO FF@ 24/2 (3:1)-FB
A 177 (12 - 18) --> CHANGE TO A 177 (12:4 - 18)
A:KS
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BLACK PANTHER VIII/T'CHALLA/"LUKE CHARLES"/"OKONKWO"
CAPTAIN MARVEL/CAPT. MAR-VELL/"DR. WALTER LAWSON"
HAWKEYE/CLINTON FRANCIS BARTON
HERCULES/HERACLES/ALCEAUS
SCARLET WITCH II/WANDA MAXIMOFF
MARTINEX/DR. MARTINEX T'NAGA | 31ST CENTURY
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A 176
A 177 --> CHANGE TO A 177 (1 - 4:3)
FF@ 24/2 (2)-FB <-- ADD
A 177 (4:4 - 12:3) <-- ADD
FF@ 24/2 (3:1)-FB <-- ADD
A 177 (12:4 - 18) <-- ADD
A:KS
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IRON MAN/ANTHONY EDWARD "TONY" STARK/"RICHARD FRANCO"
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A 176
A 177 (1 - 11) --> CHANGE TO A 177 (1 - 4:3)
FF@ 24/2 (2)-FB <-- ADD
A 177 (4:4 - 12:3) <-- ADD
FF@ 24/2-FB-FB --> CHANGE TO FF@ 24/2 (4 - 6:1)-FB-FB
FF@ 24/2 (3:1)-FB <-- ADD
A 177 (12) --> CHANGE TO A 177 (12:4 - 12:5)
FF@ 24/2-FB --> CHANGE TO FF@ 24/2 (6:3 - 6:5)-FB-FB
A 177 (13:1) <-- ADD
FF@ 24/2 (7:1)-FB-FB <-- ADD
A 177 (13 - 18) --> CHANGE TO A 177 (13:2 - 18)
A:KS
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KORVAC, CARINA TIVAN/"CARINA WALTERS"
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A 176
A 177 (1 - 11) --> CHANGE TO A 177 (1 - 4:3)
FF@ 24/2 (2)-FB-OP <-- ADD
A 177 (4:4 - 12:3) <-- ADD
FF@ 24/2-FB-FB --> CHANGE TO FF@ 24/2 (4 - 6:1)-FB-FB
FF@ 24/2 (3:1)-FB <-- ADD
FF@ 24/2 (6:2)-FB-FB-OP <-- ADD
A 177 (12:4 - 12:5) <-- ADD
FF@ 24/2 (6:3 - 6:5)-FB-FB <-- ADD
A 177 (12 - 18) --> CHANGE TO A 177 (13 - 18)
A:KS
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THOR/THOR ODINSON/"DR. DONALD BLAKE"/"SIGURD JARLSON"/"JAKE OLSON"/"LOREN OLSON"
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A 176
A 177 (1 - 11) --> CHANGE TO A 177 (1 - 4:3)
FF@ 24/2 (2)-FB <-- ADD
A 177 (4:4 - 12:3) <-- ADD
FF@ 24/2-FB-FB --> CHANGE TO FF@ 24/2 (4 - 6:1)-FB-FB
FF@ 24/2 (3:1)-FB <-- ADD
A 177 (12:4 - 12:5)-OP <-- ADD
FF@ 24/2 (6:3 - 6:5)-FB-FB <-- ADD
A 177 (12 - 18) --> CHANGE TO A 177 (13 - 18)
A:KS
...
VISION II/"VICTOR SHADE"
STARHAWK/STAKAR OGORD | 31ST CENTURY
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A 176
A 177 (1 - 11) --> CHANGE TO A 177 (1 - 4:3)
FF@ 24/2 (2)-FB <-- ADD
A 177 (4:4 - 12:3) <-- ADD
FF@ 24/2-FB-FB
FF@ 24/2 (3:1)-FB <-- ADD
A 177 (12 - 18) --> CHANGE TO A 177 (12:4 - 18)
A:KS
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Re: FB in A 175
Here I called for a revision: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=18868
Re: FB in A 175
Looks good to me!
Here is that change formatted in the standard way so we don't miss it:
COLLECTOR/TANELEER TIVAN
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IH2 198
A 174 (14:5 - 14:6)-FB
A 175 (8:3 - 8:4)-FB <-- MOVE FROM HERE
A 159-BTS
A 160-BTS
A 161-BTS
A 165-BTS
A 175 (3:6)-FB-BTS
A 175 (8:3 - 8:4)-FB <-- MOVE TO HERE
A 167-BTS
A 168-BTS
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